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July 1, 2008 - 9:53PM

Will AIA’s new transfer form work?

By Les Willsey, Tribune

The break of day Tuesday was a new one for Arizona student-athletes who transfer from one school to another. At least that's the intent of the 520 form, which now will be required of every student-athlete who wishes to transfer to another school.

PDF: View the transfer with domicile change 520 form

The 520 form is a product of the Arizona Interscholastic Association Legislative Council's meeting in March. The 5A Conference was particularly concerned by the number of recent transfers, particularly for athletic reasons. Thus, legislation initiating some action on transfers was passed. The rationale of the 520 form is an attempt to tighten transfer procedures and help track kids (and the sports they've played) who move from one school to the next.

"The intent of this is to help schools have a history of a student transferring," AIA executive director Dr. Harold Slemmer said. "There is a page that tracks a student and his athletic activity back to seventh grade. There is also a section that asks for club participation. That helps identify kids who may be following a club coach to a school."

Can the form and the extra scrutiny it provides cut down on questionable and bogus transfers? That's the hope.

"I've been burned twice by parents claiming they've moved and it ended up that something along the way fell through," Chandler High athletic director Dave Shapiro said. "If anything (the 520 form) will give me more leverage."

The portion of the form Shapiro points to most is the one requiring parents who move their child to have at least four of the seven domicile proofs listed on the form. Those are or can be: current driver's license, voter registration card, vehicle registration, utility bill, bank statement, phone bill or cable bill.

"The form puts more pressure on parents. The burden is theirs," Shapiro said. "These are things they should be doing if they make a move regardless of moving their kids to a different school."

The AIA's statement of philosophy/rationale for the transfer rule is five-pronged:

Promote the educational philosophy that participation in interscholastic athletics is a privilege which should not take a dominant role over academics.

Recognize the overwhelming administrative difficulty in attempting to determine the motives or reasons for each and every transfer, therefore, adopting a uniform objective standard to be followed by all member schools.

Help protect opportunities for participation by students who attend school in the attendance zone of their domicile.

Help protect and promote continuity of school programs.

Serve as a deterrent to students running from or avoiding an athletic discipline that has been or may be imposed.

Slemmer said some states have instituted a bylaw called a "previous instruction rule" that prohibits a student-athlete following a coach to a high school. Florida has a by-law in effect that keeps student-athletes sidelined a year if they follow a coach to another school.

Phoenix Mountain Pointe athletic director Ian Moses applauds the group of administrators who created the form and the added burden of proof it places on those making a move.

"I'm optimistic, but at the same time saddened that this is what a portion of my job's become," Moses said. "It should simply be about kids and interscholastic competition.

"Whatever you put in place, there is always going to be a select few that will do whatever it takes to make a move. It still comes down to the integrity and honesty of the parents and of the receiving school."

Shapiro said he is "cautiously optimistic" about the effect the form will have.

"We've gone through a lot of stages over the years in transfers," Shapiro said. "In the old days, you couldn't move. Then we had the 600 form. Then came hardships and hardship appeals.

"As soon as something's in place people find a way around it. They search for a loophole. I just get weary of parents shopping their kids."

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onethought

They should call this form the 520H form. The H standing for Hamilton Football or Highland Basketball. Comment has been reviewed
July 1, 2008

Another Thought

Actually, if you knew your facts, this is being put in because of schools like Chandler High School. They had 13 transfers on their football team. 8 of those came from Hamilton High School. With the addition of 3 more transfers this year, Chandler is making a case as the having the most transfers to one progam without winning a darn thing. Comment has been reviewed
July 1, 2008

Husky Supporter

As a Hamilton parent I will say that we have our fair share of transfers. BUT over the past two years we have had about the same as other programs.

Chandler High had 2 transfers last year that shared the same address (QB and LB). Seems to me that they are the ones being investigated. Comment has been reviewed
July 1, 2008

CHS

They did have the same address when they started school last year, but did move into separate addresses by the time the season started. Comment has been reviewed
July 1, 2008

Under the Bus

CHS: Way to throw everyone at Chandler under the bus. "They moved into separate addresses by the time the season started"...what a great quote.

Chandler = Cheaters that can't win Comment has been reviewed
July 1, 2008

Funny

Isn't it funny that they goto Chandler's AD to talk about transfers since they have had almost 15 football transfers over the past two years.

"He gets weary when parents shop kids around." Thats is funny. When your starting line-up has 15 (yes 15) new players from the previous year that should put up some red flags.

Instead of names on the back of their jerseys, maybe they should put the schools they came from on the back: Mt. Pointe, Hamilton, Basha, Westwood, etc. Comment has been reviewed
July 1, 2008

Not Funny

Too funny, its about time we have some rules regulating transfers. Sorry to say it isn't only a few schools here in the southeast valley, nice try FUNNY one, it plagues all of the top contenders. Everybody wants their children at a good program, the problem is when they bump them around for recognition or to play the position they think they should be playing. Comment has been reviewed
July 1, 2008

Steve Zeiders

It surprises me that Slemmer says anything. I do believe he worked at McClintock & Mt. Pointe those two schools had players from all over the state. It's funny how he now is in charge and all the things he was involved in are ''ALL WRONG NOW". WOW!!! Comment has been reviewed
July 2, 2008

old buff

It funny that Slemmer says anything. When he worked at McClintock and Mt. pointe they had athletes from all over play for them. I quess it was alright when he was involved in it. Comment has been reviewed
July 2, 2008

PM

What is lost in all the comments above is the effect that the lack of integrity by people in authority, e.g., parents, administrators, has on the kids. It is a progressive stage in that each generation beomes less concerned with doing what is right (yes, as much as the ACLU tries their best to dismiss any type of values being taught to our children, there are moral absolutes, right and wrong) as with whatever is best for ME, the heck with everyone else. This lack of character moves on to the next level as evidenced by how many college players get arrested for guns and beating up on women, etc., all the way to the pros, with the latest being a NE football player waived for haolding a gun to his live-in with a prior bust for selling pot. Is it that hard for a pro player to get by on their measly salaries in that they have to sell drugs just to get by? No, it is the lack of character that started back when they were kids in jr/sr high programs and they were taught that cheating is okay, as long as you get don't get caught. Comment has been reviewed
July 2, 2008

Hamilton Stinks

Hamilton has more kids come in than any other program. It started with a linebacker that came from Basha. The Fred Dupree told the principal from Basha it was self reporting and he was not turning themselves in when he was told the player did not move into Hamiltons boundary. A former ASU player had his son play at Hamilton and rented an apartment that sat empty for the year and many many Hamilton players used that address... They created this mess and Wrenn was the worst. He is now doing the same thing at Perry. The district should take a stand and not allow them to do it anymore..... People are leaving Hamilton now because Belles is such an idiot. Now Hamilton people complain about another school. That is really funny!! Comment has been reviewed
July 2, 2008

Hamilton Stinks

PM is right, adults have ruined youth sports. It starts in little league, Pop Warner and YMCA basketball. Everyones kid should start and they should be stars. If not they leave and go somewhere else. Schools have catered to these parents for waaay to long. If they do not like a coach or situation, you have until before your freshman year to decide if that is the school you want to go to or not. After that is just too bad. Schools were not made to cater to parents of kids in sports. Comment has been reviewed
July 2, 2008

Idiot

Funny you say Belles is an idiot. The truth of the matter is that he is "different" from the all mighty Wrenn. Whoever came in after him was going to take some heat. The bottom line is that Belles is now 25-2 as a head coach of one of the top programs in the state.

The people that are leaving Hamilton are the individuals who were not happy with their playing situation, not the coach.

If Wrenn is such a big cheater/recruiter then maybe you have issues with him...and not Hamilton. Comment has been reviewed
July 2, 2008

No Balls

If the AIA had any balls at all, they would make a rule that if a kid transfers (in state) for any reason other than proof that the parent has changed occupations, they must sit out an entire school year for the sports that they participated in. Or Chandler schools should get rid of the open enrollment policy...you play where you live. No exceptions. Comment has been reviewed
July 2, 2008

Grade Changer

Wrenn changed grades and schedules for his players all the time. My nephew even told me that he never had to worry about his grades. They would be 'taken care of' if the problem ever happened. Wrenn had the principal of the school wrapped around his finger. Anything he asked for seemed to happen. Seems Wrenn is/was the problem at Hamilton. Hopefully Belles has made some changes with that. From the sounds of things coming from the Hamilton campus, he is. Comment has been reviewed
July 2, 2008

Marty

If the above statements are true, Wrenn should be questioned about this.

I agree with PM and No Balls. Something needs to be done. Other states make kids sit out for a year. Why not AZ? Comment has been reviewed
July 2, 2008

Hamilton Stinks

Belles started great at Notre Dame and then moved to Mountain Ridge and did well there his first few years. While he was there he bashed Ewan after Ewan helped him get the job. He left there after running that program in the ground and he is doing the same thing at Hamilton. I do applaud him trying to fight the attitude there, but he does not treat kids fairly. The linebacker who went to Chandler and the Running Back who went to Basha and is now going to Stanford would have played at Hamilton based on ability, Belles ran them off. Please do not tell me the only kids that are leaving are kids that would not play. The RB going to Stanford is one of the nicest high school kids I have ever been around.
Hamilton is corrupt because it is the crown jewel in Chandler. The principal can do what he wants and Wrenn is the same way. The Academies they started at Hamilton may be the most corrupt thing ever. However they get away with it. I do not want to give my position away, but I am very close to the Hamilton high school and I see things everyday that I know would not be allowed on other campuses. If you complain in that district, you will be punished. Hamilton is allowed on all campuses of the Juniior Highs, but the others are only allowed onto the ones that feed into them. The list goes on and on.

The AIA is a joke. A good friend moved to another state and there they check residences and if it is not legit, you are inelgible period. The AIA needs to step up..... Comment has been reviewed
July 2, 2008

old buff

Hamilton is not allowed in all the Junior High's. Also they should check out the other coaches calling athletes are playing for Hamilton and tellin them they have number for them. Comment has been reviewed
July 2, 2008

Amusing

Hamilton Stinks....lol, you blew it buddy, you are not a credible source of anything other than wind.....There are no questionable transfers at Hamilton and haven't been for a few years, lets question your recruiting antics shall we?
Power to the form, I hope it tightens things up so we don't have to listen to the propaganda any longer....GO HUSKIES!!! Comment has been reviewed
July 2, 2008

Hamilton Stinks

I guess the whole golf team legally showed up at Hamilton. I guess the mesa Senator who wanted them investigated was just jealous. Pull your head out of the sand. The form is not going to do anything. The AIA lets kids play as long as they move into the boundaries. On top of that, the school then has to turn itself in. Nobody ever checks to see if the address is really where the player lives. Like it was said earlier on here, make them sit out an entire year and then see if as many kids change schools. Comment has been reviewed
July 2, 2008

Frustrated Parent

I am in agreeance with Hamilton Stinks to a point. What happens when the players want to move because the coach is mentally and sometimes physically destructive and they continue to coach despite complaints from MANY players and parents to the athletic director and principle? These coaches are not there to help promote student athletes, and in some cases they are doing things to inhibit the players from having any chances at playing at the next level. Hamilton stinks is right, some players who are good just want to get out and go anywhere to play as long as it is away from that coach. They want to have a coach they respect and who respects them back. They are not necessarily going to great programs, they just are going where they can so they can enjoy their high school days and have great memories of having FUN playing the game. Comment has been reviewed
July 2, 2008

onethought

Frustrated parent, an easy way to do this would be to enact the practices that are used by College D1 schools. The player would just have to sit out 1 year. Or, maybe if a player plays a sport at the Varsity level, if a transfer is made, they have to sit out for one season in whatever sport they previously played Varsity in. That would cut down on a huge amount of illegal transfers.

If the parents and players were held accountable along this path, than many transfers made simply for more playing time would cease. Comment has been reviewed
July 2, 2008

hillary4pres

My son sat on the bench all year at Highland due to all the basketball transfers. The local families who raised there kids in gilbert now must watch from the sidelines as kids come from other places to play for the new aau coach at Highland. It's disappointing. Whatever happenned to the days where boys could grow up together in the same town and play ball together growing up, excited to play for their jh and hs coaches. No more. Administrators in gilbert have no balls, the district ad has no nuts in standing up for what is right, and the children of gilbert watch from the sideline as club basketball takes over are town. That 520 form will be better served as toilet paper for some administrator. Comment has been reviewed
July 2, 2008

ASU

hillary4pres, and look where it got Highland this year! No where! They didn't win it like they bragged of most of the season. FUNNY when that happens to teams like them. The same thing happened to Hamiltons football. What good is the awesome record when you can win it all in the end. But don't think I'm hating on Hamilton cause they by far have a better football program that Highland did a basketball program. As much as I don't like Hamilton they are the best football program I've seen in years past, even though they couldn't win it this past year. Comment has been reviewed
July 3, 2008

Chance

Well Hilary4pres that is your fault. When the job opened up and your school sold its soul to the devil you didn't speak up. Oh well live with it. When you got your coach everyone in the state knew he would bring in his own kids so now your kids will sit and watch. Hope you enjoy watching the sport because that's all you and your kid will be doing is watching. Comment has been reviewed
July 3, 2008

SO SAD

Too bad hillary4pres. You got rid of your coach when you had the mormon meeting with David Allison and Brad Barrett to get rid of the old coach, cuz your son was still on the nipple. No one feels sorry for you. Enjoying watching Highland and the new recruits win a state championship in 09. Go Hawks. Comment has been reviewed
July 4, 2008

Ron Thomas

Hey folks...guess what?..the AIA doesn't have the guts to step up to the big programs and do their job....they have people tell them ALL the time about the improper transfers/addresses at these schools but they don't have the guts to address them..has always been that way...its the "good ole boy" syndrome.....don't mess with the big programs....they've never had the guts...all bark, ZERO bite! Comment has been reviewed
July 5, 2008

Two sided issue

Sometimes things are not as they appear. Good and bad coaches, teachers, schools and/or programs affect kids and parents everyday. Get rid of the bad and I do mean bad coaches and teachers...then there will be fewer transfers. Programs at any level are successful because of the support received by the coaches/teachers. Get rid of the bad coach/teacher and schools and their programs improve...keep them and kids move on. Don't try to bend the rules or lay blame with just three schools. Lay blame where it should be...with the coach/teacher that should be neither, they need to be fired...not rehired.

This new form will help but only if the schools and AIA step up and make sure folks live where they say they do. Home visits are a novel idea...something about mid season would be appropriate. Of course how long one has to be at the address in the attendance zone is undefined so does it really matter? If you don't close the barn door, why have the door in the first place? Comment has been reviewed
July 5, 2008

MamaBear

For those of you who have negitive things to say..... Kids who transfer illegally makes it difficult for kids that are transferring for the right reasons, they just happen to play a sport that they are good at! I can taste the bitterness from the comments of those kids in school's that haven't advanced very far! GO BEARS! Comment has been reviewed
July 5, 2008

Huskie Fan

For all of you people that are complaining about transfers, it doesn't change the end results of the game. Alot of the players that are playing now, have been on the squad since their Fresman year, alot of them are the same. Transfers or not, those boys still play well, nobody can take that away from the, so they lost the last game before the championship, they still got their. They are talented, they work hard. Get over it, they are good. If any of you are football players on here, if you could get the chance to start on that Huskie squad, you would do it. Comment has been reviewed
July 5, 2008

ASU

Hey Huskie Fan I'd, love to know what your definition of transfering folr the right reason is. And being a Huskie fan and transfering for the right reason I'm sure it's for your football players, so Please tell me, K.

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July 6, 2008

The Hamilton H.S.

Why blame the schools? Talk to the parents. They are one's who are living in their childs eyes and spending money to move to make the tranfers possibile. They want the best for their child so putting them in the best situation to win a state championship is their intentions. Some are leaving because they can't handle the competition. "playing where you live" is only true to a certain point...The only way to combat this is not passing transfer laws, but rather start winning and then some will stop losing their top athletes. Remember don't get mad at the school, but the parents of the student athlete. Comment has been reviewed
July 6, 2008

Local Coach

Any parent that would sell their house and move for their child, lie about their address in the hs enrollment office, transfer to be on a better team, have a meeting with district administrators or hs principal because their child is not playing enough, is got bigger problems in their life. The problem in society today is the high percentage of parents have low self-esteem and administrators at every level have no balls to tell a parent what they should hear, and that is their kid is not good enough to receive a college scholarship. It's too bad hs sports has come to kids transferring, parents not having any loyalty to coaches, administrators not having nuts to stand up for their staff they hired, and parents unhappy because their fat ass hurts in the stands because their child isn't playing and they were never good enough to play to begin with. This is a parental problem...Hamilton will continue to have success because everyone wants to play for a winner. Comment has been reviewed
July 6, 2008

onethought

The Hamilton H.S. writes "Why blame the schools?", while I agree the parents are most at fault, the schools turn a quick blind eye to any stud that wants to transfer. The Admin and Coaches facilitate the transfers. While I understand that this is nowhere near as bad as drugs. The parents are the drug users, but the Admin and Coaches are the drug pushers. If the Admin, and Coaches make it available, the parents will take advantage of it.

If a transfer is legit, so be it. But, if a transfer is fraudulently obtained, all we are doing is teaching our kids that cheating is acceptable. And, that the end justifies the means.

This past weekend I was speaking to a father of a stud, who just received a partial scholarship for a Cal school. While being impressed with his son's athletic achievement, I was hugely let down when I was told of his son's illegal transfer to another school so that he could be showcased, and how one of the Assistant Coaches made it happen. The father bragged about it. Now, not only did the parents, son, Asst Coach cheat, but they brag about it as well. Somehow diminshes what the young man was able to achieve. Once agin, the end justified the means I am sure in each of their eyes.

The AIA needs to take a tougher stance. I do blame the parents, but I also blame the schools. Comment has been reviewed
July 7, 2008

Huskie Fan

Hey ASU
I am not going to get in a fighting match with you about them, their record speaks for themselves, I'm sure you will say the Baseball team won this year from recruiting also. The Spiritline squad is very consistent in winning state every year. Give credit where credit is due. They work hard during the whole year. The skills they have come from the young men themselves, not parents or coordinators. No one said they were perfect. Its the hot school to be at. No matter what anyone says Comment has been reviewed
July 7, 2008

GOOD SCRIMPS

Where did Hamilton's Golf Team come from? What about their Spirit Line? Baseball Team? Football Team? Etc... all of them... State Champs. Where can I sign up??? That being a normal response from hmm... any normal parent out there, who are looking to get their kid noticed, striving for a possible Scholarship. Parents are doing the math and trying to get their kid over there. The Rationale: Hamilton wins games therefore more scouts are present (even though scouts go to other schools as well). Hamilton is cluttered with them. Realization sets in and you're stuck thinking to yourself saying, "Is my son good enough to start or will he be sitting on the bench?" Making that important decision is where most parents find themselves before their kid enters their freshman year. If they take the gamble and send their kid to Hamilton, they sit, twiddling their thumbs, waiting nervously until the season starts to see where their kid stands. If the kid starts, the gamble was a success. If they sit the bench, well... now what? Parents are also faced with getting the kid to school (if out of district). Why would you want to do that, especially with today’s gas prices right? However, if you decide that your son probably won't start at Hamilton and end up staying in your district or picking another school, your kid ends playing but ends up losing a game to Hamilton, thus is born “The Hamilton Hater“. Coach Belles has been referred to as “an Idiot” Well, for those who don’t know, Belles is actually cleaning house. Every player had to sign a sort of “Players Policy” where the players agree to keep up their academics, attendants, tune up their attitudes, etc… disciplinary action will be taken against those who violate the policy. From what I was told, the policy was between 8 to 10 pages long. Check other schools before pointing the finger at Hamilton. Hate all you want, Hamilton has a successful program. How long the success lasts remains to be seen. Some other school will end up holding on to the top spot down the road. They will end up getting all the “bad publicity” and fingers will be pointed at them. The pattern being: When you’re the best, people will try and shoot you down. It’s like that… and that’s the way it is. Respect. Comment has been reviewed
July 7, 2008

Huskie Fan

Good Scrimps

Thank you very much, very well said. Comment has been reviewed
July 8, 2008

Joe blow

If it's really about the kids who cares where they transfer to so they can play. If I went to Brophy and paid my money I could live anywhere. What's the difference with public school. Kids should be able to play anywhere they are happy. Comment has been reviewed
July 8, 2008

Something to Ponder

What does it matter what High School a student goes to? We have dumb-ed down the curriculum with each School district required to teach to an AIMS test standard. This just breeds mediocre students. The Schools need to put butts in the seats and open enrollment and a superior athletic program equates to increased enrollment and more $’s for the school. Seems like a no brainer for an administrator to make the call, to turn a blind eye or bend the interruption of a guideline as long as the money is coming in. An administrator cannot improve teaching, but there are guns for hire that will bring better sports programs to a school and higher caliber athletes, which in turn will increase enrollment. Stop whining about the sports programs and pick up the phone and complain about the lack of education that AIMS has created in this state. Take a second and think about what you are complaining about. Would you complain if one company offered a better comp package compared to another when you were looking for a job? If you are car shopping and you have 2 cars that are priced the same and you like them both, do you not go with the one with more options? In closing, please remember that this states highest paid employee is the U of A basketball coach and he so loves Highland’s program…… Comment has been reviewed
July 9, 2008

Blowin Smoke

Ponder - Nice Smoke Screen to throw Highland out there like that. Comment has been reviewed
July 9, 2008

ASU

Good Scrimps, most schools have always had a player policy. Why did it take so long for Belles to come up with his. It's called dicipline and most schools have had it for years. Maybe his is longer than others if you think it's 10 pages long. I wouldn't call it cleaning house at all. LOL Comment has been reviewed
July 10, 2008

GOOD SCRIMPS

ASU - I know what you're saying about the Player Policy being in place for years. I think coming to a Power House school like Hamilton, Belles didn't want to disturb what was already in place and also wanted to feel the place and players out. Once he had a couple of years under his belt, Making the "rules" to his specification was the next logical thing. I, for one, love what he has done with the players. When I say he's "Cleaning House", I mean he has basically talked to all of the players and explained to them how things were going to be, how they will behave on and off the field, the importance of grades, etc... The team appears to have gone through a transformation where they attitudes have been left at the front door. It was very evident during the recent passing league tournaments. No one complained about not getting the ball (it was distributed pretty fairly). The only complaint the team had was the heat! I'm not one to boast about Hamilton. I am impressed with their record though. Comment has been reviewed
July 10, 2008

Whatever

This is the funniest thing ever. I will say getting rid of one assistant coach will stop many of the transfers coming to Hamilton. However, the Principal is corrupt and the academies they run are even worse. Schools are here to educate kids, if they have good sports programs that is just icing. A female on the Hamilton basketball team last year was arrested twice and was denied entry into three schools and yet Hamilton found a way to let her play because she was a stud. It is a joke. The AIA is a joke and the parents who spend thousands on club and moving their kids from school to school to showcase them are fooling themselves. I teach at Hamilton and I can tell you if Belles has a 20 page code of conduct, which by the way is provided by the district for all parents and kids to sign, he is still going to selectively enforce it. Comment has been reviewed
July 10, 2008

GOOD SCRIMPS

I've heard kids are coming in from out of state as well as local schools. They've already done their homework and decided Hamilton is where they want to go. Belles is getting calls left and right from parents/kids wanting to attend Hamilton either out of state or locally. Don't you think he's aware of the "Recruiting" reputation Hamilton has? He explains to these parents/kids of Hamilton's Program and if they decide to attend Hamilton, brilliant. If not, no biggie. Hamilton's winning reputation sells itself. He's not the one calling them, they're calling him! Comment has been reviewed
July 10, 2008

old buff

"Whatever" Why don't you leave if it's that bad ! Comment has been reviewed
July 11, 2008

Whatever

I would leave the district, but the way education works you take a huge pay cut and do not get what a teacher with 18 years gets paid.

I teach and stay away from athletics because it has become a joke. I know for a fact Belles recruited kids and I know that other schools have too. The whole point of this was to announce the new form by the AIA which still is a joke because it is self reporting. The messages on here supporting Hamilton only prove that all that some people care about is sports. Some of these kids have dropped out of school after their football season is over. That really helps kids in life. Hamilton shows a 100% graduation rate, that is impossible. Do not tell me the administration is not corrupt. Comment has been reviewed
July 11, 2008

GOOD SCRIMPS

Whatever - Do you have any "Student Athletes" in your class? And are they being treated fairly by you or is your dislike for athletics influencing your judgement? Have you personally gone up to Belles and said, "Hey, WTF is up with the recruiting crap?" I do not endorse anything that is morally wrong! With the knowledge of Belles' recruiting, did you tell anyone? Is the Admin corrupt? Can you name people? Sad to say, but it doesn't matter what kind of form AIA comes up with, People are going to find ways around it. Comment has been reviewed
July 11, 2008

old buff

"Whatever" just like "Good Scrimps" how do you know Belles has recruited kids , who are they ? Also you could transfer within the district and if you are a good teacher one of the other schools would pick you up. Also what kids dropped out and did not graduate ? Comment has been reviewed
July 12, 2008

Whatever

I am a department chair and those positions just do not open up at other high schools. The problem is not whether I stay or not, it is the attitude towards athletics. I neer said I have dislike the athletics. I have had many athletes in my class that were some of the most hard working upstanding kids I have ever taught. The problem is that parents. Parents are running our schools and coaches are under tremendous pressure to have State Championship teams. I played a sport in college so I know the pressure and I love watching our schools sports programs. I disagree with how they are able to manipulate the system and have different standards than other students. Like I said in an earlier post I think Belles took a major step in getting rid of one of his assistant coaches who did most of the recruiting. However, I think it was only done after the AIA did some investigating into some complaints made my a State Senator.

I am shocked that nobody on here has mentioned anything about the academies at Hamilton. Research those and then tell me what other schools are doing the same thing. The dropout kids happened during Wrens first championship. I refuse to mention names but they were lineman. I can tell you one linebacker who plays at ASU played and Hamilton without moving and the Hamilton principal knew about it. He did nothing. It is not just Hamilton doing these things, but I will tell you in Chandler Hamilton gets what they want and without a doubt they get more leeway than any other high school Comment has been reviewed
July 14, 2008

papa

Whatever
I am intrigued by your inside look at Hamilton, but I am troubled by your aloofness in reporting the violations that you are aware of. You should know, as a teacher, that you have an obligation to report this. If the administration is as corrupt as you imply, then take it to the board. To sit idly by and do nothing is cowardice. If you have proof then blow the whistle, otherwise your silence condones the behavior. I teach and I coach, 18+ years in the trenches and if I was privy to the information you had I would have no problem with bringing the issue too the right authorities. Comment has been reviewed
July 14, 2008

old buff

"Whatever" it's nice to hear you are for athletics and I'm also glad you are putting the blame on the parents. Some of your information is not correct. Comment has been reviewed
July 15, 2008

GOOD SCRIMPS

Whatever - I am aware of the Asst Coach that was let go. It was a major move on Belles to drop a coach that was well liked and respected by the players. Rumor has it he maybe hooking up with coach Wrenn over at Perry. Anyway... I also agree with Papa if you have the information to change a wrong to right... then do it! I agree with you on the parents-is-to-blame issue. But believe me when I say it's not only Hamilton that's doing this, but most schools also. There are some schools that are doing it at the same level as Hamilton. They just haven't been exposed yet! Comment has been reviewed
July 15, 2008

Whatever Blows

After reading all of this BS...I must say the following:

The district does not give out the behavior policy given out by Belles. Belles (Who transfered from Mt. Ridge) came up with it with help from his AD (Who transfered from Basha).

The coach that was let go was asked to continue to coach at Hamilton and not be the DC anymore. He did not want to do that and left. Just ask him (He transfered to Basha).

From what I hear, Hamilton academics are very good. Check the test scores.

As a department chair, Mr. Whatever, you make yourself sound pretty "sketchy." You do not have the balls to come out and tell the so-called truth. I guess that extra $1,200 stipend for being a dept. head keeps you going. Some of those coaches are your friends, even in your department, and you stab them in the back. Way to go. You are a typical pencil pushing, grading papers until 2am, nut-job. Stay at home on your Friday nights and sip your wine while watching the Bachelor. That is where you belong.

As stated before, if Wren (Who transfered to Perry) was the problem, go after him. Belles has done a great job considering what he had to follow. Only 12 people applied for this high profile position. People knew it was going to be tough. Belles has the nuts to go 25-2, get rid of coaches (as some of you say), stress the importance of academics, have over 12 players recieve athletic scholarships in football in the past 2 seasons, and win a state championship.

How can a coach get rid of a player right after the season is over. The kid is responsible for what happens from 8am - 2pm. If he cannot handle the heat, the parents better step up to the plate and get the kid some help. Tutors anyone?

Everyone: Check out the football teams web-page and look at the alumni. Seems to me that most are getting it done in the classroom and on the athletic fields.

As for the golf team, cheer team, and baseball team at Hamilton....lets get real. Maybe the girl at the top of the pyramid transfered from Casa Grande. Do we really care? Maybe the whole golf team did transfer......from Asia. Who cares? Its golf. Ever been to a high school golf match? Me neither.

Lets focus on the AIA not doing their jobs. They continue to throw out ideas but can never step up to the plate and come up with a solution that everyone needs to follow. Two years from now they will have a new form and everyone will have another thing to type about....including me. Comment has been reviewed
July 15, 2008

Funny

Now that made me laugh and brought out some good points.

Whatever is that nerd that nobody talked to in class. Bitter. Just a bitter individual.

Wrenn did good things for Hamilton and the State of Arizona in helping put another school on the national map.

I have seen Hamilton play over the summer and they were one of the best teams to watch. Athletically and how they conducted themselves on the field. Last year they had a player that would beat his chest after every play. "Look at me! Look at me!" That did not happen in the games I saw. One coach that played them even told me that Hamilton was one team this summer that impressed him because of "how quiet they were, yet got the job done on the field." Now if that is not the ultimate compliment I don't know what one is. Comment has been reviewed
July 15, 2008

GOOD SCRIMPS

Funny - You said it bro! The Team is looking awesome, even though shaking that "Smart A$$" attitude has been a chore for the boys, they are looking like a team that demands respect without being jerks about it. Now that's some GOOD SCRIMPS!!! Comment has been reviewed
July 16, 2008

old buff

What happened to all of the comments ? I was waiting for "Whatever" to comment on his knowledge of the Hamilton program. Again Slemmer was part of McClintock & Mt. Pointe when they had kids from many zip-codes. Comment has been reviewed
July 17, 2008

GOOD SCRIMPS

Where did all the comments go? Comment has been reviewed
July 17, 2008

onethought

It is almost as if all the Hamilton and Highland people have some sort of powerful connection here at the Trib. Because the app. 60 comments have suddenly disappeared. Did they hit a little too close to home? Comment has been reviewed
July 17, 2008

onethought

Wow, this is the 2nd time all the comments have been removed from this one story. Is this censorship, or does Hamilton and Highland really have that much pull? Comment has been reviewed
July 17, 2008

GOOD SCRIMPS

I don't think it's Hamilton or Highland but another parent who was getting bum rushed by both... hahaha... come on guys... what's with the yankin and bankin??? I'll check back soon, and I'll probably find this comment pulled too!!! You have our emails... you can't let us know what's going on? Comment has been reviewed
July 17, 2008

GOOD SCRIMPS

The comments have returned!!! Must've been a glitch or something ;-) Suggest removal of this comment
July 18, 2008

7?Marks

I just have to say powerhouse football states have rules where u sit out a year I agree (Florida, Califronia, Texas, Georgia, Ohio etc). Arizona is on the rise we dont need this type of cheating. Lots of people are transfering from Hamilton because they didn't get enough "RECEPTIONS" debo. Or they simply couldn't play. Thats crazy 15 though. oh and I have nothin to do with phoenix. Sierra vista buena fan all day. We are gonna stomp basha. GGGGGGGOOOOOO Colts. Suggest removal of this comment
July 24, 2008

XoVeR

Biggest Issues with transfer is this whole Self Reporting shin Dig this wacky state has. ARE YOU SERIOUS!?!

Are you really depending on the schools to report thier discrepencies. With the amount of money schools get from athletic programs, why in the world will they report themselves for cheating.

Here is what the AIA should do. If a kid is transfering schools, have them fill out this form, then investigate the Domicile they are submitting and do periodic random checks on them. That is what the CIF (California Interscholastic Federation) does and that is a bigger organization.

Also personally talk face to face with the players and families to gauge the sincerity of the transfer Suggest removal of this comment
July 29, 2008
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